What transport planning has been done for proposed development of 3,600 dwellings at Toondah Harbour?
More letters about the proposed 3,600 apartment residential development on wetlands next to Toondah Harbour, including indignation about the Redland City Bulletin’s advertising wrap.
Toondah traffic
Shore Street West in Cleveland is already busy.
It seems to me a major consideration “missing” from the Toondah Harbour debate is “traffic”.
In all the feel good hype from Council and the Walker Group, I wonder if they are concerned as to the vehicle numbers that the people living in 3,600 units plus those from outside Cleveland who will dutifully make the journey from Brisbane or the Gold Coast or Logan to marvel at the shops and restaurants at Toondah Harbour, will generate?
Estimates are that there will be some 30,000 vehicle movements daily through suburban streets next to Toondah Harbour, let alone those that will then travel into Cleveland and then to Brisbane, the majority to work.
I challenge our Redlands based Councillors and Walker Group’s executives to make the daily commute from Cleveland to the city by car, bus or train at morning peak hour. Leave at 7.00am and your arrival time in the city would most likely be 8.15 to 8.30am.
It is a solid trip just getting out of the Redlands; I can only assume what a nightmare the trip must be like from Victoria Point or Redland Bay.
Why won’t the Council acknowledge this growing and soon to be totally unmanageable direct consequence of mass population density at any cost?
RP
Cleveland
Toondah wrap
Advertising wrap 5th September 2018
What game is the Redland City Bulletin playing?
Why did the Bulletin lend its name to the Walker Group’s propaganda “wrap” to the once proud RCB of 6 September?
In my opinion, wrapping our community newspaper in an advertorial wrap is about as low as a “newspaper” can get.
Did RCB just sell out!
Did readers note there was not one dissenting view or one caution among the lauding of the Toondah PDA. There was not even an image of a ten storey residential tower. This in spite of some amazing claims and grand assumptions.
Among the most galling statements was that the development (or is it the developer) values local lifestyle.
That statement alone lacks veracity as planning for the site since 2014 has totally ignored community values.
Of course a few paragraphs later is the equally amazing assertion that the development will provide a “lifestyle lift for the Redlands”.
Was anyone asked if they wanted a lifestyle lift? What lift does the community want? And how does will it reconcile with valuing local lifestyles?
Dissection of the propaganda sheet is deserved but a waste of time if the only newspaper in the Redlands is so easily brought off, as to wrap itself in Toondah propaganda.
JD
Cleveland
Toondah construction
Walker Group’s proposed development
Many times now I’ve asked what the planned routes are regarding the massive numbers of dump trucks needed to removed the debris of excavation for the Toondah PDA.
At the same time there will be the same huge numbers of trucks that will supply materials on a continuous daily basis for years.
The people living on those routes will have their homes damaged and their health threatened by dust and noise, heavy vehicles, pollution and the stench of mud in the nearby streets…for perhaps 30 years.
How will these impacts be paid…by the developer…no way!
It will all settle on the backs of ratepayers and residents along the affected streets.
All this and then more as the full impact of 8-10 000 people living in a dense enclave out in the Bay comes home to roost.
Seems to me someone in Council failed planning 101!
BH
Ormiston
Petition for better planning laws
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6 Comments
There is an aspect to the whole development debate that you may not have thought about. Perhaps we should be supporting the Mayor and Cr Peter Mitchell in their endeavours to increase development in wildlife areas and to removing those pesky koalas. Koalas may attract tourists but they do not pay rates and they do not make donations. Furthermore they spend most of their time in trees, either sleeping or eating and it is illegal to catch them and sell them for profit. Housing developers, on the other hand, are quite useful because they clear large areas of natural bushland in order to build houses and blocks of units, thereby ridding that area of koalas. As for the wetland areas most of these birds can fly so they will just have to find somewhere else to migrate to during their annual cycle.
This is a protected wetland.
JD asked why did the Redland City Bulletin lend it’s name to the advertising wrap for Walker Corp. There’s an easy answer and that is, the RCB is fully funded through advertising. It can only stay alive from funding from it’s advertisiers which are the building lobby group of developers, real estate, Redlands Council and sub contractors and suppliers to the building lobby.
It’s not RCB fault. It can not possibly be unbiased or be able to print truth or facts while it is fully controlled through it’s investors. Their hands are tied, very tight.
Dear staff of Fairfax Media,
I’m sorry to have to report what I think you already know. The Redland City Bulletin (RCB) has simply become a vehicle of Redland City Council.
The articles, which are scattered amongst copious pages of advertising, are non stories in many cases. I will outline a couple of Page 1 stories before last week’s Redland City Bulletin (RCB).
Some months ago there was a story on Page 1 by one of the councillors, Julie Talty. This one even surprised other councillors because the subject matter, a second Redlands Fire Service, had already been voted down by both Council and Redland Fire Service. Yet you presented it as a new hot piece of news. The following week you had a retraction but it was deep within the paper amongst advertisements.
The very next week your front page red hot news was about the Mayor’s push to “Rebrand the Redlands.” She wants to call it the “naturally wonderful Redlands coast” but she also wants to support the dredging of the protected migratory shorebird zone near Toondah Harbour. This was not news at all and we are all aware that businesses in the Cleveland District are struggling to survive. But still you decided to run a story that was not a story because the Mayor wanted your support for her idea. In her latest Newsletter to Residents she states in Paragraph 3 that “It has been made very clear to Council that our naturally wonderful Redlands Coast is a safe place with much lower crimes against property and person than other communities in the south-east.” Compare that with what the Cleveland Police are telling us. They have even stated openly that vehicle break-ins beside the ferry terminals at Cleveland and Redland Bay, with no CCTV cameras for surveillance, are so common that they recommend visitors to the islands of Moreton Bay leave their cars at home. We have had a lot of recent criminal activity in the Redlands and incidents like a suicide on the banks of Moogurrapum Creek last week but none of it reaches the RCB.
The issue of RCB on 5th September took the cake for lack of news. The first 4 pages listed under Redland City Bulletin was in fact an advertorial for Walker Corporation with their proposal to dredge the Migratory Shore Bird Protected zone so they can construct 3,600 units up to 10 storeys high in an area that lacks infrastructure or adequate roads. This is the second time you have included the misleading artist’s impression of the 10-storey proposed unit complex. The Mayor has made no secret of the fact that she is supporting this proposal to the hilt but many of the residents are up in arms because the project is flawed and councillors know it. So the first four pages of your last week’s paper (5/9/18) was 100% advertising and the next 10 pages were almost 50% advertising.
We residents understand that you need to make money to pay your staff and the RCB is printed free for residents but it lacks substance. The police reports of incidents and crime in the Redlands used to occupy pages 2-3 of your paper but now such news has been relegated to later pages if included at all, while a koala story on page 3 is totally lacking substance. It concludes by saying that “council will run campaigns for residents to be aware of threats to koalas…” As a biologist I can state this will do absolutely nothing to help our dwindling koala population. If the Council was serious about our dwindling koala population in the Redlands they would ensure we maintain enough mature habitat for them to survive and reproduce. But of course koalas don’t make donations and while they do attract tourism they don’t pay rates.
Aside from the congestion on our limited number of roads, which will be massive if Walker Corp and some in Councillors get their way, look at the misleading advertising by Walker through the Redland City Bulletin. This newspaper has become a waste of good paper, with front page stories that are not stories, such as the Mayor wanting to “Rebrand the Redlands.” Walker Corp have actually stated in print that they propose to dredge the wetland zone so migratory birds will have to move elsewhere but (wait for it) they also propose to build a bird hide. My question is – a bird hide to see what? If you drive the migratory birds away what is the use of a bird hide? We need to hold both Walker Corp and our gullible councillors to account.
Without any doubt, a large number of this massive traffic increase will be funnelled out through Wellington Point via Duncan and Main Roads, the village will be destroyed, pollution will no doubt kill all the beautiful trees and the traffic will pose a huge risk to all the school children